6 highlights from Joe Rogan's interview with Tucker Carlson

By Jon Brown, Christian Post Reporter Tuesday, April 23, 2024

America's surveillance state

Carlson also spoke at length about the pervasive warrantless surveillance of citizens by U.S. intelligence agencies, of which even members of Congress are "terrified," he claimed.

Reiterating claims he has made previously that the National Security Agency (NSA) hacked into his private encrypted messages on his phone and leaked them to The New York Times in an effort to discredit him, Carlson called that behavior "secret police s---," and warned that the lack of accountability and any sense of morality from many in the intel agencies effectively leaves citizens powerless.

Members of US Congress are all blackmailed by US intelligence agencies.

Drugs, sex, financial and other crimes… all these lawmakers have something in their closets.

Tucker Carlson on Joe Rogan.

In the world of NSA mass surveillance, there are no secrets. pic.twitter.com/Z72O4XLnHg
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Carlson said he alerted members of Congress when he was tipped off by a government source in 2021 that NSA was spying on him, but noted that he ultimately had no recourse and that his questions went unanswered.

"I couldn't get a straight answer," he said. "They were just like, 'We're not answering those questions, and what are you going to do about it, b----? What are you gonna do about it? I don't possess a drone fleet, there's nothing I can do about it, actually. That's the truth. So when the system breaks down, and things like honesty, justice, the law, none of those apply. The people in charge decide that just doesn't apply to me, you are literally powerless."

He also hit out against the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA), which went into effect in 1978. The Senate voted 60-34 on Saturday to renew Section 702 of the legislation.

"We've had the FISA Surveillance Act since I think 1977, so it predates 9/11. Did it stop 9/11? Oh, I don't think it did, so shut the f--- up," he said. "You're not protecting us, actually. You opened the southern border to anyone who wants to come. You're not checking IDs, you're not doing any kind of biometrics, you're not even screening for COVID, so clearly you don't care about my safety. Stop telling me you do. You don't. You're a criminal. Stop this charade. You don't care about my safety. Using my safety as a pretext for spying on me is just not going to fly."

Carlson also explained that intelligence agencies wield immense power over the government and routinely blackmail members of Congress — many of whom he said are vulnerable because of their sad and sordid personal lives — in an effort to control them.

"Members of Congress are terrified of the intel agencies. I’m not guessing at that. They’ve told me that, including people who run the Intel Committee," he said, adding that he recently spoke to an elected official who is "a very powerful person" who "holds a really senior position" about it.

"But I was like, 'All these people are controlled. They’ve all got weird sex lives, and all these things they’re hiding, and they’re being blackmailed by the intel agencies.' And he said, and I’m quoting, 'I know.' I was like, OK, so at this point, we’re just sort of admitting that’s real? Like, why do we allow that to continue?"