Interview with the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem: Michel Sabbah
When Pope John Paul II appointed Michel Sabbah as the Latin patriarch of Jerusalem in 1988, it was the first time the Holy Lands indigenous Roman Catholics were led by a fellow Palestinian. Previously, Rome had always sent an Italian to fill the sensitive post.
Some 20 percent of Palestinians are Christians, including Yasir Arafats wife, Suha, who was born into a Christian family before converting. On a recent visit to Rome, Patriarch Sabbah spoke to NEWSWEEKs Alessandra Borghese at the Vatican about where Christians stand in an atmosphere of conflict between Muslims and Jews. Excerpts:
BORGHESE: Is it difficult to be a Christian in Israel, and are people heeding the Holy Fathers call for Christians not to leave the Holy Land?
SABBAH: Christians live like others. Theyre Palestinians, and as a result life is hard and they suffer; their liberty of movement is limited. Theyre humiliated and reduced to begging for their daily bread. Some have left, especially those who are economically able to do so. Others remain by principle, and because they want to stay faithful to their homeland and to the church.
How do you feel about the efforts of the Vatican to negotiate between the Palestinians and the Israelis, and the effort to win recognition for Israel by the Vatican?
Theres a much greater presence of the church, and much greater efforts to facilitate action in the Holy Land and dialogue with the two authorities. However, until now all these efforts have not produced much. For example, we have problems renewing visas even for clergy.
Is it difficult being a Christian Palestinian in a predominantly Muslim and Jewish land?
Christians are part of Palestinian society, and the Palestinians are Christians and Muslims. No one is going to flee because of Islamic influence, but because of the lack of work, or the political tension provoked by the curfew. But there is no Muslim persecution of Christians, and in fact they share the same hope of one day having an independent state.
Dont you see a desire on the part of Muslims to dominate and convert other faiths?
Just a moment. This isnt easily understood in the West. We Palestinians know how to live together and how to understand this relationship. We are one people, even if there are some difficulties.
But arent you isolating the case of the Palestinians? This isnt a relationship that is easily exported. To find Christians who are persecuted its enough just to look at Vatican reports. Think of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Iraq.
In Arab countries there is no persecution of Christians. I dont speak of Pakistan, but in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanonno. Historically there have been some massacres, beginning when Europe entered the Mideast.
Not even any effort at the conversion of Christians?
Theres always that, but much of it is social pressure, thats all. Nowadays we cannot say there is persecution. There are problems of the majority and minority, disputes of a social nature. These governments are very vigilant about relations between Muslims and Christians. Theres a lot of propaganda in the West; I dont know why. Let us live in peace and dont foment fear, its fear that weakens us. Our vocation is to live among Muslims and to give testimony to Jesus in a Muslim society. Its difficult, but we accept it.
What kind of Christmas will this one be in Bethlehems Church of the Nativity?
A Christmas of prayer, calling on God to have pity on this land. We will pray for peace and if there is not peace, the siege will continue.
Do you see suicide bombers as true martyrs?
According to Islam, they are. Its necessary to treat each one according to his own principles. As Muslims see it, suicide bombers are giving their lives for their country, to gain their liberty. As a Christian, suicide is not permissible in any case, even for your country. You may not kill yourself.
The Israelis, too, are under attack. They are being overwhelmed with continuing acts of terrorism.
Under attack, by whom? Israel occupies and attacks someone elses land and finds resistance. Israel is not being attacked. When Israel ceases to attack and to occupy [the Palestinian territories], they wont suffer any further counterattacks. If Israel wants to end violence, it only needs to end occupation. Im 200 percent certain of this, and Ive said it many times.
Do you feel Januarys elections in Israel will do any good?
Nothing will change. The majority in Israel is for [Ariel] Sharon and [Benjamin] Netanyahu. Theyre for the same political line.
What has given you the most comfort in this past year, with so much desperation?
The patience of the people and their hope in the midst of continuous war.
By Alessandra Borghese